Sid: I’m interviewing Peter Horrbin from his home and office in Lancaster, England. And Peter on yesterdays broadcast we’re talking about the most powerful prayer on earth in which you feature it in your book, “Forgiveness God’s Master Key.” And as I’ve explained previously, most people that are born again understand aspects of forgiveness, I certainly do, I’ve interviewed many people on this subject. But, you have such a profound gift in this subject why is forgiveness so important Peter?
Peter: It is so important because unforgiveness ruins relationships and we are out of fellowship with somebody because something’s happened, something they’ve done; there’s unforgiveness in our heart, and our relationship is broken. Exactly the same way that if there is sin in our heart our relationship with God has been damaged, it’s broken and it needs to be restored and without forgiveness we have no restoration of relationship. And unrestored relationship have an effect on damaging us on the inside. So if somebody’s hurt us and we are angry as many people are or bitter or against them, then from the inside it is like is a spiritual cancer can eat away our spirit and soul and those things can then even begin to affect our bodies as well. So to remain in an attitude of forgiving those who hurt you and releasing them into the freedom of your forgiveness; it means that we can actually walk through even very difficult times; but without the consequences of those difficulties eating away at us and destroying us from the inside.
Sid: Give me an example of when you’re in unforgiveness and you want to get out how should someone pray?
Peter: The first thing one has to do is recognize what the problem is. And for many of the people who have come for help they don’t actually realize that they are in unforgiveness. They are aware of where it is in depression or physiological problem or physiatric problem or physical problem, but they haven’t actually understood the issue. I’ll never forget a lady who she had a back problem with constant pain and she was about to have an operation and I said to her “How long have you had this pain?” And she said, “About three years.” And I said, “Tell me did anything happen about three years ago in your life?” She said, “Yes,” and I always hesitate to tell this story because I don’t want mother-in-laws to think I have anything against mother-in-laws. But, she said, “My mother-in-law came to stay,” and said, “Well I thought it had been a good experience and I could tell by the look on her face that it wasn’t.” I said, “What happened?” she said, “My mother-in-law came between me and my husband, came between me and my children and I feel as though I’m constantly being stabbed in the back; she hasn’t gone home yet.” So three years down the line, there was a relationship issue and we forgave her mother-in-law and she decided what she was going to do about the situation. And she never needed the operation because the physical pain she had was a direct consequence of this relationship that could cause such problem over these previous years.
Sid: Out of curiosity, give me an example of what you told her to pray. Actually pray the prayer right now.
Peter: I told her, well I asked her to pray I can’t tell her to pray, because she has to use her choice. I can give her suggestions, but if she prays it without her heart being in line with it it is never going to work and it has to be a heart choice. So she had to come to the point of just saying actually, yes, Lord I want to forgive. And this prayer is very very simple. “Lord, I choose to forgive my Mother-In-Law for what she has done in coming between me and my husband and me and my children. I release her into the freedom of my forgiveness and I ask you Jesus to set me free from everything that the enemy satan has put into my life as a result of the attitude of my own heart.” And immediately after that she went into spontaneous deliverance of a spirit of infirmity. And the pain left and the spirit left and she was completely healed.
Sid: Now, we’re talking about the four dimensions to forgiveness. We spoke on yesterday’s broadcast about being forgiven for the sins we have committed; forgiving others for what they’ve done to us; but the third is one that most people forget, forgiving ourselves.
Peter: Yeah. Most of us at some time or another in our life have said something, “I’ll never forgive myself for this.” We made a mistake; we’ve done something wrong, maybe something very bad that we’ve done. And that unforgiveness of ourselves lodges deep in our hearts where we may be happy to forgive everybody else, but we don’t think there is any hope for us. And that attitude is like a something you’re pointing arrows at your own heart. Because Jesus died that we’d all be forgiven. And if we are saying, I’ll never forgive myself; we’re saying that His death upon the cross was not good enough for me. You know, there’s is a lady,….and she was when she was a child in a car accident and her mother and her sister I think it was, died in the accident. And when we prayed with her, many many years later, saw all sorts of consequences that she had in her life, the real issue was that she blamed herself for the accident, because she had asked her Mommy to go home and take her home and the accident happened when Mother was on the way home. So little girl blamed herself, for asking Mother to take her home, blamed herself for the accident and deep inside there was this unforgiveness of herself. And when she forgave herself, oh what a change it took in her life. Many many things just dropped away; thirty-eight years I think it was of her past and so many things she was healed of. That she could now receive deep in her own heart all the love and healing and the blessings that God had for her; which she was rejecting because she blamed herself for the accident.
Sid: You know, I’m looking at the fourth dimension of the forgiveness, which is forgiving God and I’m thinking about an incident that happened to me yesterday. I went out to the gym and I started a conversation with a woman that checked me in and she said, “How are you?” And I said, “I’m blessed and she said I know you always say that, I wish I was as blessed as you.” And I said, “Well you can be.” And she said, “No, God I’ve prayed, I’ve fasted, I’ve done everything I could think of and God didn’t change my situation and to tell you the truth, I’m angry with God.” “What would you have said to her?”
Peter: People do get angry with God; they blame Him for things that are not His fault. They forget that there is an alien god in this world. The god of this world, satan. Man gave him authority at the fall and the bad things that happen in this world are not started in the heart of God who is love. They start in the heart of satan who hates the God of love. And when bad things happen, it is so easy to fall into the trap of blaming God for things. And when we start blaming God for what satan has done, we are then in a situation of where accrediting evil to the God who is love. And so sometimes we need to come to a place and say, God I am so sorry, it really is an act of repentance. I’m so sorry Lord, for blaming you for the bad things that happened. I’m so sorry Lord for blaming you for the accident that took the life of my son or my daughter. I am so sorry Lord, for blaming you for the circumstances that resulted in my husband losing his job or something like that. I’m so sorry God for blaming you for these things because when we blame God for those things we’re taking our focus off Him and were almost as if we’re saying that He is the enemy. And we’re thinking that God’s our enemy we are never going to be able to receive the blessing that He has for us.
Sid: Could you very quickly tell me one person that forgave God and what happened to them?
Peter: Yeah, I’d love to tell you a story of her name Sarah, because deep in her own heart, she had a sense that all the things had for wasn’t fair; wasn’t fair what happened that she had been abused. She suffered greatly and part of the pilgrimage that she was on she was in psychiatric care when she first come to us for help. Part of the pilgrimage was taking her focus off all the things that happened which looked as though it could be God’s fault and talking her focus off that and recognizing where the source of the pain and the suffering really was. And as soon as she recognized that, it meant that God was now a place where blessing could flow from. Because as soon as your blaming God for things you can’t receive blessings from Him. So as soon as her focus was put upon God, who is love, she could start receiving healing from Him. It was part of a journey for her. A huge journey of healing; she’s now completely restored as part of what God did, she is no longer…
Sid: Oops were out of time again.
