Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah Tom Horn coauthor of the brand new book “Exo-Vaticana.” This is mind blowing it’s I mean if you thought thing were speeding up before and they were every-things on such a rapid pace for the raping up of the late great planet earth. For instance, did you notice that when they announced that the Pope was retiring of what happened at the Vatican? Tom you saw that lightning that light that was right over the Vatican; tell me about that.
Tom: Isn’t that extraordinary February 11th just a couple of weeks ago now three or four weeks ago now, lightning struck St. Peter’s Basilica twice immediately on the resignation of Pope Benedict the 16th. Now of course could have been coincidental but lightning is something that in sacred literature always carries spiritual connotations; sometimes it’s good, sometimes it’s evil. Like when Jesus referred to “Satan as falling like lightning” in Luke 10:18 and you know Sid I couldn’t help but think that the timing of those two lightning bolts on that particular building at Vatican City at that exact time following Benedict’s resignation I mean my gut feeling and I could be wrong but I thought it was beyond mathematical probability of chance. First of all it was two bolts and don’t forget that you know what we talked about earlier this week that two central figures of end times prophecies the false prophet and the anti-Christ they’re described in the book of revelation as being able to call down fire like lightning from heaven. And this is not just an evangelical speaking there are some Catholics right now, some of the known leaders in Catholicism right now that had the same reasoning. In fact one of the most highly visited Catholic sites is run by a guy I know he’s communicated with me off and on over the years, he reads my books and websites on a regular basis. But he you know went onto this major Catholic website and started telling Catholics look the lightning that struck St. Peter’s Basilica some days ago I mean this was not chance, this was something else.
Sid: I’ve got Cris Putnam on the telephone bestselling author of the books that we’ve been talking about all this week. Cris you talk about the visions that many people have heard about at Fatima, Portugal. How does that tie in with UFO’s?
Cris: Well, we have to remember that we’re talking about the year 1917 so this was long before terminology like flying saucer and UFO’s were in the vocabulary. If you look at the descriptions of what the crowd saw that day in 1917 in Fatima it really sounds remarkably similar to what you know what we would call a UFO today. You know it’s called the miracle of the sun, but I don’t think anyone really believes that the sun actually danced in the sky I mean just the laws of physics would dictate you know that if the sun moved it would actually toss the earth all around. And the whole world would see it you know so it’s pretty clear that it wasn’t actually the sun but other’s read… here’s some descriptions of some of the eyewitnesses. They say “A weird disk that turns rapidly on its own axis and casts off beams of colored light in all directions; shots of red light shot out from the rim of the sun and colored clouds the earth, the trees, the people would shouts violet, yellow, blue. So what you have is a spinning disk in the sky that’s you know that’s throwing off colors and this is what people saw in the sky and they all this the miracle of the sun; I think mainly because as it you know zigzagged around in the sky it kind of disappeared into the sun flew into the sun as it went away. And then the people realized that the rain had stopped because they had been standing in the rain. So this has all the telltale signs you know of what most people would call a UFO sighting today. Today if you saw a silver disk spinning around in the sky I just don’t think that that was in the vocabulary back in 1917 and then you have the words of these children who said that they were channeling Mary, and that’s really why it got associated with the Catholic dogmas.
Sid: You know I’m really not that knowledgeable of it but I thought everyone saw Mary and heard her words.
Cris: No, the way that the Mary apparition typically works, and this is the case with all of the cases I’ve studied, is that it usually picks children, usually young children under 10 years old and basically the same as channeling. These children hear Mary’s voice and they’re the only ones that hear it and they write down what Mary allegedly says. So basically you have some impressionable youngsters, usually, that you know supposedly get these messages from Mary and then the signs in the sky or whatever that seems authenticated have nothing to do with Mary they’re usually something like this.
Sid: Now tell me about the Pope that saw those same flying objects and then came with some revolutionary conclusions about the Mother of Jesus, Mary.
Tom: That’s one of the things that not too many people know about, but the Pope that actually, you know when they have an aberration like Fatima they have approval process where the church kind of rubber stamps it as an official thing that Catholics can believe. Now the Pope who did that for Fatima was Pious the 12th who was the Pope during World War II. What not too many people know is that in 1950 he was thinking of promulgating a doctrine they called the assumption of Mary. Now this is a really kind of a strange doctrine that he did end up promulgating that Mary ascended into Heaven just like we read Jesus doing in the Book of Acts. But Pious the 12th says that David was thinking of defining this doctrine you know that he saw the same thing happen over the Vatican Gardens. And in fact he wrote this is a note that on 4:00 PM on December 30th 1950 while he was taking a walk in the Vatican Gardens that he saw an opaque spear surrounded by a luminous circle, and it twisted and rotated all around in the sky spinning and throwing out colors, the same sort of just shaped object you know that the same sort of phenomenon that people describe at Fatima. And this was in 1950 you know 37 years later. He used this as his inspiration to go ahead and to promulgating this doctrine of the assumption. So in a very real way we have an unidentified aerial phenomenon sort of inspiring a Pope to, you know, to create new doctrines that all Catholics are supposed to believe.
Sid: Now what about all of the sighting of the UFOs over the Vatican?
Cris: Well, there have been quite a few and that was one of the things that I tried to do just to see what was going on with this that there are some very interesting co-relations of UFO sightings and events within the Catholic Church. One of the most I think compelling is the year 1978 it’s a famous year for the Papacy for it’s the year of three Popes. This is the year that Paul the 6th died and then they elected John Paul 1st and he only lived 33 days and then they elected John Paul II who is the famous Pope that most of us probably remember really well. But what a lot of people don’t know is that during that brief reign of John Paul 1st he’s only Pope 33 days; there was a massive outbreak of UFO’s sightings over Rome. Now this is you know not just some obscure UFO report, this actually made the New York Times News Service and it was seen by airport officials; policeman verified this, officials of the Vatican saw it, so it’s not just kind of fringe sort of story it actually made the United States papers in 1978. I have reproduced a clipping from the New York Times Newspaper verifying all these facts.
Sid: Now what is the Vatican plan for the arrival of a UFO god with a small “g.”
Cris: We uncovered in the process of our research that several theologians from the Vatican have written some statements that seem to be making allowances for the existence of Extraterrestrials. Even there making allowances for adapting theology to amalgamate the revelations that might come with these new beings; which is kind of troubling to me given the Vatican track record of revision already. The Vatican II cross that happened in 1960’s they kind of adopted this idea of the anonymous Christian where people from different faiths could actually come in and be saved without even knowing Christ. So when you think about somebody that’s willing to adapt things to that extent dealing with something that’s out of this world they don’t have a particularly good track record. So I think that they’re wide open to a deception, what we are thinking that there is going to be a rouse by your know a rouse by supernatural forces. Who claim to be extraterrestrials; now with these kind of theological constructs…
Sid: I’ll tell you what we’re out of time…
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