Sid: Now my guest is red hot for the Messiah; I know that because I’ve just heard his story. I’m red hot for the Messiah in fact you know Gary and my guest Gary Whetstone for most of my walk in the Lord I thought everyone that was a believer was like me. I mean I had such a radical experience and change of life experience with Jesus I knew the reality of the devil; I knew the reality of God and you the same. You had such a radical transformation and you were a dead man and you came back to life as far as I’m concerned, and the same thing is true for me. But you know I think everyone is that way and I’m beginning to find in this culture and this age that we are living in right now most people that say their Christians they’re not, you know all they are are church goers or their parents were Christian. And people need a lot of help.
Gary: They sure do and this is a time where were can be the greatest assistance to that cloak of darkness that has sub-squared the mind and the perception of people. People have come again to a spirit of bondage again to fear where they become more identified with what holds them than the Jesus and power that has released them. This day I’m telling you Sid there’s a word of the living God to your people “The people that are listing today, the word of God is speaking in my spirit with authority and I declare to you that the yoke of oppression, the mental derision that confusion and torment that has been assigned against you by the kingdom of darkness is banished in the name Jesus. I demand with the word of the Living God to cloak of mediocrity is broken in Jesus Name; I demand in the Name of Jesus the oppression that has bound people to indifference and passivity loose your hold in Jesus Name. I declare with the word of the Living God the rebuke of all oppression that causes man’s heart to coward in fear and I demand with the Name of Jesus and all power of His resurrection the Living God on the inside if arising in power and strength and I speak the release of that grace manifest in the children of God releasing them from all indifference and passivity to do the will and the purpose of God in this earth. And I decree it now, declare it now in the Mighty Name of Jesus.”
Sid: Well, I can feel the power on that but what was the transformation for Gary Whetstone, I mean he was going to literally have an electronic lobotomy have his mind reduced to a 3 year old through a series of miracles one after another. He had lost his wife, he had lost everything in life. So Gary gets divorced but then a major miracle happens and he gets remarried in ’76 to his wife Faye. He’s involved now in a multimillion business, he graduates Rhema Bible College. He gets an earned doctorate degree. I mean that’s what a real experience with Jesus is going to do for someone, a radical transformation. He’s now Senior Pastor of Victory Christian Church in New Castle, Delaware. Gary I am so concerned over there being a distinction between Christians and the world; right now there is not a distinction between the two, but there is coming a separation and one of the things that are holding most Christians back even real Christians by the way, is a spirit of fear. And I’m reminded of a scripture 2nd Timothy 1:7 “For God has not given us a spirit of fear.” So therefore if someone has a spirit of fear it’s not from God but and I believe the implication is “But’s God’s given us a Spirit of Power, a Spirit of Love, and a Spirit of a sound mind.” And that to me is what your series “Make Fear Bow” the book and the 4 CD’s will accomplish for people. Tell me how you originally started studying on fear and how this book came into being.
Gary: Sid I was pastoring the church and I took 2000 of our prayer requests, I was doing a prayer conference over in Earl’s Court in the Arena over in London. As I was preparing my heart for the prayer conference and teaching and training prayer I took these 2000 prayer requests and started praying over them from the local church that I pastor. I saw 80% of every one of the prayer requests were rooted in fear. I have an acronym that brings it to light it’s “False Evidence Appearing Real.” It’s information that is lodged into the mind and into the consciousness of perception whether it’s historic, trusting in the arm of the flesh, the enemy speaking, or some historic environment that they have become familiar to or participating with. And that fear ends up becoming the norm in their life and when I got done seeing that I went into that prayer conference and the Spirit of God spoke to me to research every cause of fear; all the affects that it has in the word of God; where it comes from, how it works in people, why does it work in people? What are answers that God has given to us so that we can conquer this ominous oppression. God’s declared to us that “We have not received a spirit of bondage again to fear, but one of power that we can cry out “Abba Father, Daddy He’s our God and experience the simplicity of His supernatural intervention in our life. We have seen fear bow in supernatural ways since I wrote the book.
Sid: Now you’re not just talking of a test tube type of environment like a college professor. You have had had death sentences declared by doctors over you. For cancer, tell me about one of them.
Gary: Sid just recently I have had, this was back oh was it 3½ years ago I’ m in Nigeria coming up a hill and I can’t breathe. I’m looking at a piece of property because we have Bible schools around the world and as I’m coming up the hill I’m motioning to a guy next to me to do CPR. So I fly back to America and I go to a pulmonologist and he says “Gary, you have lung cancer you have 3 months to live.” And this was 3 years ago, and I said “What?” I said “I don’t have lung cancer.” He said “Yes, you do,” and I said “No, I don’t.” I said, “Look I looked at the doctor right in the eye just like I’m talking to you, “ I said, “Look, I prayed, I saw my death, and this is not how I die.” He said “I need to put you on chemotherapy and radiation immediately to prolong this.” I said, “No, this is not lung cancer, I’m telling you, I know God I know my body, and I know what God’s saying, and this is not it.” So I got in an argument with a doctor. He says “Well, okay I’m going to have to do a biopsy, because you have such a restricted air flow on and on and on.” A long story short he goes in a takes a biopsy of it and it turns out to be a disease called sarcoidosis, and they found 80 tumors in my lungs, some the size of the end of my thumb.
Sid: Did I hear you say “Eighty, 80?”
Gary: Eighty-zero in the Steinem region which is from the center of your thorax down to the center of your stomach the media Steinem region and it was filled with these tumors but they weren’t cancerous. So I said to him “Why I told you I wasn’t going to die from it. But he said “Gary this kills you, you can’t live with this.” So they gave me steroids but I said “What does that do?” He said “There’s is no known cure for this,” So I get a hold of God and I said “God I saw my death, I refuse to accept a counterfeit.” You know the fear of death holds people such cowardess bondage they’re afraid of ask God to show them their death. I cannot imagine why, because death is just one step from one room to another in the kingdom of God is just that we shed this earth suit. Any rate so the next thing you know here it is three years later they do another CP scan on my lungs and now they’ve only found 2 the size of the point of a pin out of 80 they’re all gone but two little tiny nodules the size of a pinpoint. And I said you know, I went back to the doctor he said “You know you are the only white man that is in any record in this entire eastern region you are a test case and we have no reason or no cause or any possible reason why you didn’t die from this.” I said “Let me tell you, it’s because God showed me my death and this is not going to kill me.”
Sid: But you had a perfect opportunity to get into fear, you hung tenaciously on to the word of God you put that at a higher level than even the doctor it sounds like.
Gary: You know if you know what God has spoken, you know when Peter at the end when Jesus before He ascended He showed Peter the death He was to die.” So Peter saw it, he knew it so there was no possibility of the counterfeit. When they went to kill Jesus He walked thought the midst of them because Jesus time wasn’t yet. We are the Body of Christ Sid. Believers that are listening today you are the Body of Christ, you are not permitted to bow to fear and let the enemy use the False Evidence Appearing Real and bring in the torment of confusion and uncertainties and doubts and cripple you and defeat you by the influence of darkness. You were ordained by God to rise up in power in the name of Jesus and crush the fear that has tried to crippled and defeat you.
Sid: You know one of the things you point out is that when someone has an area of fear that’s actually there area that God wants to use them their strength and because they have that stronghold in that one particular area they’re not going to achieve their destiny.
Gary: Every time the enemy, the enemy knows fear is to satan what faith is to God. So if the enemy can put fear on somebody and that person conquers it through the love and the nature of Christ that testimony of conquering gives them the confidence to conquer every other area. Sid I’ve seen it working in finances, I’ve watched millions of dollars flow into my hands as I’ve conquered the fear of financial torment. I’ve watched people with blind eyes, God creating eyeballs as the fear of “What if God doesn’t show up and recognizing I’m the Body of Christ of course God is showing up.” You can’t send your body and the person not be there.
Sid: Gary you said over the last 10 years fear is nonexistent in your life, how would you like to be able to make that statement 10 years from now.
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